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Post by Baloo on Dec 16, 2003 16:16:55 GMT -5
I honestly don't think the Man cares if he lives or dies. It was pretty clear from what we have heard so far that he cares not about the thousands of deaths he has attributed to. I think that he would rather be executed for his "cause" than to live incarcerated. I think it's pretty chicken sh*t of him to send thousands of people to their death with suicide bombings and then he gives up without a fight, or shooting himself. Pu$$y!
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Post by Jlew on Dec 16, 2003 16:24:39 GMT -5
Who are the suicide bombers you are referring too?
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Post by ladynred on Dec 16, 2003 16:32:06 GMT -5
Baloo, can you move my reply here as well?
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Post by Baloo on Dec 16, 2003 16:34:02 GMT -5
Best I can do Per Lady....I honestly don't think the Man cares if he lives or dies. It was pretty clear from what we have heard so far that he cares not about the thousands of deaths he has attributed to. I think that he would rather be executed for his "cause" than to live incarcerated. If that were the case, do you actually think he would have allowed himself to be captured without a fight? He had a pistol with him. If he would rather be executed for his "cause" dont you think he would have put up a fight? Dont you think that he would not have been so willing to accept medical treatment? He is a coward. He would rather be in prison than die for his cause.... My opinion of course..
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Post by Jlew on Dec 16, 2003 16:43:11 GMT -5
Or perhaps this was a "staged" capture. It struck me as a little odd too.....maybe the Republicans had something to gain. I think they caught him a while back and honestly put this on to avoid the pressure the administration is getting about how the war is going.
Maybe it's just a screwed up theory, maybe not....just seemed a little odd...kinda like the whole Jessica Lynch story....make us Americans feel proud that we are at war.....
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Post by Jlew on Dec 16, 2003 16:44:21 GMT -5
and one more thing...what do you guys wanna bet they find Osama in let's say....hmmmm....next October? Perfect timing!
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Post by Baloo on Dec 16, 2003 16:51:36 GMT -5
Or perhaps this was a "staged" capture. It struck me as a little odd too.....maybe the Republicans had something to gain. I think they caught him a while back and honestly put this on to avoid the pressure the administration is getting about how the war is going. Maybe it's just a screwed up theory, maybe not....just seemed a little odd...kinda like the whole Jessica Lynch story....make us Americans feel proud that we are at war..... Don't forget to ad the part about us never actually landing on the moon *rolls his eyes* Ahhh, I missed argueing with my beloved Jlew ;D
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Post by Jlew on Dec 16, 2003 16:59:58 GMT -5
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Post by ladynred on Dec 16, 2003 17:13:25 GMT -5
I was fixin to say something similar baloo....
No offense Jana, but we aint livin on a movie set....
;D
I know things are definitely not as they seem always when it comes to politcial bullshit, but I do think that is a little far fetched.
I think the answer is simply right in front of our face.... he is a coward that needed medical attention and so he did whatever he needed to to get it. i.e. surrender....
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Post by Baloo on Dec 16, 2003 17:20:03 GMT -5
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Post by ladynred on Dec 16, 2003 17:51:22 GMT -5
Oh balooey, dont you DARE start something and then sit back and not help me...
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Post by Baloo on Dec 16, 2003 17:55:32 GMT -5
Yeah, like I wouldn't finish something with Jlew. Do you really think that that many service men and women could keep their lids on this? Hell no! A bunch of 18-24 or + year olds running around. Especially the kids that "originally" caught him. They'd be so proud they'd want to tell everyone that they found him. Then again I guess you could tell me those people in the chopper that went down on their way home for R&R were the original people to find him and that was the goverments way of shutting them up. Wait! Maybe it's still not Saddam that we found. Maybe the real Saddam is shacked up with Elvis and Kennedy in a cabin in Montanna.
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Post by ladynred on Dec 16, 2003 18:20:18 GMT -5
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Post by Tammi on Dec 16, 2003 19:23:27 GMT -5
>:(It's sacreligious to mention ELVIS and SADDAM in the same sentence PS~~I happen to think their might be some truth to the "rumor" that Saddam's capture was at least partially staged. I think they "knew" where he was, and manipulated the situation for maximum "spin" value. It's already been established that they are capable of twisting stories to make for better news. (ie: Jessica Lynch, and the toppling of Saddam's statue in the square). PS~~Where the he|| is Sagan when we need him?
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Post by ladynred on Dec 17, 2003 3:07:54 GMT -5
Ok, this is a LITTLE off the subject, but a little ON too..... First of all, understand... I will admit this to you guys because I love ya and I know that you will not fault me for this, or put me down. I have ALWAYS stayed out of the political arguments that ensue amoung our little community ESPECIALLY when we are on an open forum for mainly one reason.... I dont have a lot of detailed knowledge when it comes to poilitical conflict. I have my opinions, but a lot of times it sounds like I am talking out of my ass since I am not as informed as I could be. Therefore I stay out of it for fear of being called out on something and looking stupid. But, it still doesnt keep me from thinking my thoughts.. the difference now being that I just have to express them. I JUST CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE. Ok here goes.... Why does it seem to a lot of people that this war and the events surrounding it have to be so underhanded and shady? Why does everything have to be a "photo op" or a "consipiracy" or another "Jessica Lynch Fabrication" etc etc.... ? I understand that some of you are not Bush fans. I am not always myself after all is said and done since 9-11. BUT... just because things are not wrapping up as nice and neat as life NEVER IS... why does that make everything so corrupt? I am a fence sitter more or less. I have a lot of liberal beliefs but I have a lot of conservative beliefs also. In my opinion, I honestly don't think that ANYONE should be totally on one side or the other. If that were the case, then why dont we live in some kind of "ideological monopoly"? In the beginning, I believed that this war was and still can be justifiable in order to prevent the situation from getting any worse than it already has. Yes, a major part of the world believes that we are bullies and that we stick our noses where they dont belong. But, if we dont step in when we think we see it necessary, who is going to? Look at WWII. Look at all the events that led up to WWII. What do you think the world, or more importantly... GERMANY would be like in present day if we didnt step in like we did then? How many more deaths or tortures or concentration camps would there have been? I believe that the ends do occasionally justify the means. Average Iraqi's have not learned any other way of rule aside from how they were taught. They dont know anything else. It SUCKS that soldiers have died day in and day out in Iraq. Especially since the number of casualties have increased more and more each day AFTER the war was "officially over".... but who ever said that this effort was going to be a walk in the park? Iraqi's have been hit with SO many blows. I dont blame them AT ALL for being as volatile as they have been. It has to be scary to have a sadistic madman dictating your every breath one minute and then having to deal with the fact that the same man has been driven into hiding and they are now being forced to trust the one country that they have been coached to hate. Thus causing WAY too many deaths on both sides. Therefore, my thoughts on this war have definitely been tested. I have spent many evenings questoning whether or not this war was going to end up being a complete failure or not. For a while it seemed like we were backing ourselves into such a tight corner, that no matter what our reasons or desired results were (good or bad)... the outcome just wasnt as plausible as we had hoped. Now, dont get me wrong.... I am not so dellusional as to think that everything is all better now. But I do have a renewed hope that we are making headway. Now that I have gone around my elbow to get to my thumb, I will get back to my whole point. If this war raises deep emotional opinions within yourselves... that makes you human. We are all going through that. There is no such thing as a war without bloodshed. I am not pro-war but I do not believe that the world as it is... can continue to exist without taking the necessary steps to change the course of the paths that certain cultures or countries enivitably spiral themselves toward. If you ignore it, it doesnt just go away. So, again.... my point is.... no matter who we are or what kind of power we have in this country, we are all human. No matter what Bush says or doesnt say... acts or reacts... in the end, he is not trying to kill us all. He is not the evil man that Saddam is. Just because he snorted cocaine in his life, or pronounces nuclear... NUCULAR, or rides on his daddy's coat tails, or looks like a chimpazee , or does things to make himself look better for the next election...doesnt mean he isn't doing what he thinks is best when it comes to this war. He is human just like we are. He makes mistakes just like every other human being does. When things happen in the events of this war that are actual results that we are attempting to acheive, why can't it just be viewed as a success and not picked apart or analyzed as a conspiracy theory? If I am wrong then you guys can pick the crow for me to eat and I will eat it... maybe I am too much of an optimist. Maybe not. Who really knows though? My two cents....
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