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Post by Tammi on Dec 17, 2003 7:53:19 GMT -5
You and I are in the same "boat" Woo. I dont get into many of these discussions either, because of the same reasons you dont. I'm just not THAT up on politics. Sagan, Baloo and Banana are pretty savvy on that stuff...while I just kind of stand on the sidelines and take notes. I voted for Dubya. There, I said it. I actully like him as a president until this war. I started to change my mind about him, after 911, and evidence began to surface that he was warned well in advance that something like the WTC bombing could happen. Then the WMD fiasco added more fuel to the fire. Then he cut the soldiers pay. Then the Jessica Lynch story leaked. Etc, etc. My dad always told me, "where there's fuel, there's fire". Lawyers call it "reasonable doubt". I could be TOTALLY wrong, and have to sit right next to you eating crow, BUT, I just have this gut feeling (and have since Sunday morning when I first saw the story) that there is more to the story of Saddam's capture. Anyway.....I dont disagree with you, Woo. I just dont have any factual information to back up the way I feel. Like I said, I could be wrong, and probably AM wrong. But, I cant shake my gut feeling. Maybe it's just indigestion. Okay.........now it's time for Saggy to put in an appearance and shake his head at my ineptness.
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Post by Jlew on Dec 17, 2003 10:08:20 GMT -5
OKay guys...here's my take...
If you don't think that a President has lied or can lie, you live in a bubble with rose colored glasses on.
Administrations LIE....bottom line.... I never said that Bush is a tyrannt like Saddam, I think he's a decent person.....I really do, but I think that he has led us into a terrible mistake that has cost us alot of lives and money.
Here's an example of some flat out lies and deception that have been reported.
The Jessica Lynch rescue was a LIE...yes Wendy, not a conspiracy...a flat out LIE.
There has been NO DIRECT LINK to 9/11 and Saddam...NONE...we have been led to believe that 9/11 and Saddam are in the same sentence....it's not, that link has NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED, and until it is, I will believe that we have been decieved.
WMD....need I say more? Another LIE.
There are no conspiracy's here...these are things that have been PROVEN.
Now as far as the "theory" about Saddams capture, it sure sounds a little fishy to me, let me tell you why. The man had a pistol on his lap and came out without any resistance....this makes NO SENSE, he would have never been taken without fighting, I think somethings wrong here, I don't totally agree with the story, but I do agree that something is not right. It has been wildly reported that the capture of Saddam is scoring points for Bush and his camp....there is something to be said about photo ops.
Remeber the " mission accomplished" deal where he flew on on a fighter jet? Did you know that the banner that said " mission accomplished" was provided by the White House? This was a OPPORTUNITY for the prez.....and did you know that more US soilders have been killed since that statement and hoopla was done?
I do not agree with this war, the bottom line is it was for OIL...simply OIL....If we were so good at liberating the "poor people of Iraq" Why haven't we done anything for Afganistan? We bombed the crap outta them...and tore up their social structure, and left them high and dry, why? Because they have no OIL, they have no resources to help us...screw them, lets spend BILLIONS to liberate Iraq, take their oil and shift the focus right off of Bin Laden and his cronies.
Alot of what I have written here is my opinion, but alot of it is fact.
Governments lie....DEMOCRATS lie too, but this I think has got to be one of the biggest deceptions that America has ever faced. We are a country at war for all the wrong reasons and all of us are gonna pay for it, that is simply my opinion.
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Post by Baloo on Dec 17, 2003 14:34:26 GMT -5
There's no denying (sp?) that politicians lie, they all do. Over and above all though, regardless of when, we still found the piece of sh*t. That's gotta say something. I really don't feel it was a planned thing though. I mean, they might've known where they think he was and they might've watched that area and been there for a while, but I don't think they found the cowardly POS until they opened that hole he was in. The reason he didn't shoot was because he actually has some understanding of life and death. He has no problem killing other people and asking, telling other people to die for him, but it takes A LOT to put a gun to your own head and pull the trigger. And, it takes A LOT to fire at a bunch of men carrying AR-15's. If, for whatever reason, President Bush were to hide in a hole in the ground (or President Clinton for that matter), do you think they would shoot themselves? Do you think they would fire at a bunch of trigger happy guys with AR-15's? HELL NO! They would be pulled out of the hole with their tails tucked as well.
Then again, President Bush wouldn't be in that hole in the first place. Where did our leader go on 911? Not to some underground cave or to a bomb shelter, he went to the White House to lead his country. Some of you may think [Bevis]Whata' dumass'[/Bevis], but to me, that makes for a great leader. One who says, "I'm not going to go hide, I'm going to lead my country."
*back on subject*
Saddam is a dumb POS, and no matter how you look at it, it's a good thing we found his a$$.
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Post by Jlew on Dec 17, 2003 15:01:17 GMT -5
Baloo....honey, sweetie, dahhhhhlink....
Mr. Bush was not at the White house when 9/11 happened....he was one Air Force One...as he should be, away from a possible attack.
I am not trying to coddle Saddam, I think the man is a crazed menace to society....... but the story seems fishy, and it's starting to come out in the media....look at Jessica Lynch's story.......nobody is talkin' about that now.
People are also wondering if he was drugged....I mean the way he looked and acted seemed nowhere near what we have seen him before.
Whether or not this "theory" is right or wrong, you have to admit that getting Saddam is boosting Bush's support.
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Post by Baloo on Dec 17, 2003 15:07:48 GMT -5
Baloo....honey, sweetie, dahhhhhlink.... Mr. Bush was not at the White house when 9/11 happened....he was one Air Force One...as he should be, away from a possible attack. I am not trying to coddle Saddam, I think the man is a crazed menace to society....... but the story seems fishy, and it's starting to come out in the media....look at Jessica Lynch's story.......nobody is talkin' about that now. People are also wondering if he was drugged....I mean the way he looked and acted seemed nowhere near what we have seen him before. Whether or not this "theory" is right or wrong, you have to admit that getting Saddam is boosting Bush's support. Your right, he was on Air Force One. He had to get to the White House somehow . But, he none-the-less, he went to the White House on 911. He wasn't in Air Force One for 14 hours. He left the School he was at, got into Air Force One (he did use it as a protective messure for a little while), then he went to the White House. Hell yeah, capturing him boosted Bush's image. Why would it not? He captured the man we've been looking for. Doesn't matter if it was 6 months ago or 6 months from now, it happened. 'We got em'
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Post by Baloo on Dec 17, 2003 15:27:29 GMT -5
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Post by ladynred on Dec 18, 2003 10:03:15 GMT -5
OKay guys...here's my take... If you don't think that a President has lied or can lie, you live in a bubble with rose colored glasses on. Administrations LIE....bottom line.... I never said that Bush is a tyrannt like Saddam, I think he's a decent person.....I really do, but I think that he has led us into a terrible mistake that has cost us alot of lives and money. Here's an example of some flat out lies and deception that have been reported. The Jessica Lynch rescue was a LIE...yes Wendy, not a conspiracy...a flat out LIE. There has been NO DIRECT LINK to 9/11 and Saddam...NONE...we have been led to believe that 9/11 and Saddam are in the same sentence....it's not, that link has NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED, and until it is, I will believe that we have been decieved. WMD....need I say more? Another LIE. There are no conspiracy's here...these are things that have been PROVEN. Now as far as the "theory" about Saddams capture, it sure sounds a little fishy to me, let me tell you why. The man had a pistol on his lap and came out without any resistance....this makes NO SENSE, he would have never been taken without fighting, I think somethings wrong here, I don't totally agree with the story, but I do agree that something is not right. It has been wildly reported that the capture of Saddam is scoring points for Bush and his camp....there is something to be said about photo ops. Remeber the " mission accomplished" deal where he flew on on a fighter jet? Did you know that the banner that said " mission accomplished" was provided by the White House? This was a OPPORTUNITY for the prez.....and did you know that more US soilders have been killed since that statement and hoopla was done? I do not agree with this war, the bottom line is it was for OIL...simply OIL....If we were so good at liberating the "poor people of Iraq" Why haven't we done anything for Afganistan? We bombed the crap outta them...and tore up their social structure, and left them high and dry, why? Because they have no OIL, they have no resources to help us...screw them, lets spend BILLIONS to liberate Iraq, take their oil and shift the focus right off of Bin Laden and his cronies. Alot of what I have written here is my opinion, but alot of it is fact. Governments lie....DEMOCRATS lie too, but this I think has got to be one of the biggest deceptions that America has ever faced. We are a country at war for all the wrong reasons and all of us are gonna pay for it, that is simply my opinion. I never said that Bush can't or won't lie. I am just saying that I don't think that everything everything everything is as underhanded as people tend to gravitate toward. I am not saying that Bush hasn't made mistakes... he has made PLENTY (with emphasis on the T) I never said Jessica Lynch was a conspiracy, I also never said it WASNT a lie. Oh I KNOW how much of a lie that was. But it wasnt a lie that created mass havic or anything. Just embarrassment. I never said that saddam and 9-11 were linked either. I was merely saying that since 9-11 no matter what the situation was, I have gone back and forth with my opinions on Bush. I will tell you what REALLY gets on my nerves. This is totally stupid, but it just sounds so unprofessional. Everyone talks about how "down to earth" Bush is in how he words things etc. Yeah that's all fine and good.... BUT STOP CALLING BUSH SR. "MY DAD".....
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Post by Jlew on Dec 18, 2003 10:31:16 GMT -5
The Jessica Lynch story was created to give Bush some brownie points. The war has created MASS HAVOC, the lies are to keep our commander in chief doing well in the polls..... that was my point, alot of what happens is constructed. I don't know if this Saddam "theory" is true, I am just saying that I have a very hard time believeing what he says due to the fact that we have been decieved so many times about this war already.
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Post by Baloo on Dec 19, 2003 13:17:47 GMT -5
Jlew, let me ask you this, in all honesty, which President have you been able to trust? They're all politicians and they will all lie/cover to make themselves look better. That's the name of the game.
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Post by Jlew on Dec 19, 2003 14:02:01 GMT -5
Well...if we had a Yellow Dog in the house we wouldn't be at war.....I could care less if he got a BJ in the Oval Office.....
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Post by Tammi on Dec 19, 2003 17:40:36 GMT -5
I think Texas should *withdraw* from the Union *I was going to write *seseed* from the Union, but I knew that wasnt the way to spell it. AND my handy spell check thingy is MISSING
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Post by Baloo on Dec 19, 2003 17:46:49 GMT -5
I think Texas should *withdraw* from the Union *I was going to write *seseed* from the Union, but I knew that wasnt the way to spell it. AND my handy spell check thingy is MISSING *DO NOT LOOK BEHIND THE CURTAIN* THE GREAT BEAR WILL SEE WHAT HE CAN DO ABOUT THE SPELL CHECK PROGRAM *THE GREAT BEAR HAS SPOKEN* ;D I lost it in one of my updates
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Post by Jlew on Dec 22, 2003 12:13:33 GMT -5
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Post by Tammi on Dec 22, 2003 12:43:17 GMT -5
*DO NOT LOOK BEHIND THE CURTAIN* THE GREAT BEAR WILL SEE WHAT HE CAN DO ABOUT THE SPELL CHECK PROGRAM *THE GREAT BEAR HAS SPOKEN* ;D I lost it in one of my updates
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Post by Tina on Dec 23, 2003 10:58:53 GMT -5
Okay, I read the story and frankly I am getting fed up with a the BS. Who cares!! Don't you think that if they really caught him they would most definately want the credit for catching him? Why can't everyone just leave this alone? It's done, he is no longer "in control"!!! *steps off the soap box now*
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